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	<title>Comments on: Lean Programme Shaping &#8211; Finding the Value Stream</title>
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		<title>By: Synesthesia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Synesthesia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 11:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] previous posts I have talked about the application of the ideas of flow and a value stream to programme [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Julian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Peter

Thanks for your interest. Agree completely!

The approach I have developed in practice, and which I am now trying to put into a theoretical context with this series of posts, is very heavily influenced by the work done by the Agile movement in software development, especially the application of Lean principles.

I certainly intend to look at programme delivery later, as I think that is a rich ground for improvement through a flow- and people-based approach. However I also feel that it is the messier early stages of getting the ideas shaped into the first programme definition that have received least attention.</description>
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<p>Thanks for your interest. Agree completely!</p>
<p>The approach I have developed in practice, and which I am now trying to put into a theoretical context with this series of posts, is very heavily influenced by the work done by the Agile movement in software development, especially the application of Lean principles.</p>
<p>I certainly intend to look at programme delivery later, as I think that is a rich ground for improvement through a flow- and people-based approach. However I also feel that it is the messier early stages of getting the ideas shaped into the first programme definition that have received least attention.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Stansbury</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Stansbury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting thoughts Julian.  I hope you will move this on to programme delivery next - to me this is where the strongest correlation lies.  Programmes that are transformational and people-oriented can easily be crippled by a prescriptive approach.  Time and again I find people grapple with MSP, cannot find enough detail so revert to PRINCE2 to guide them through their programme.  This often proves fatal.  While not the complete answer, I like the agile manifesto (http://agilemanifesto.org/) and in particular the preference for:

-Individuals and interactions over processes and tools
-Customer collaboration over contract negotiation
-Responding to change over following a plan 

This would be a good basis for an approach.  Meantime I look forward to your post on waste!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="cocomment-ext-rating" id="cocomment-rating-373310"></span>Interesting thoughts Julian.  I hope you will move this on to programme delivery next &#8211; to me this is where the strongest correlation lies.  Programmes that are transformational and people-oriented can easily be crippled by a prescriptive approach.  Time and again I find people grapple with MSP, cannot find enough detail so revert to PRINCE2 to guide them through their programme.  This often proves fatal.  While not the complete answer, I like the agile manifesto (<a href="http://agilemanifesto.org/" rel="nofollow">http://agilemanifesto.org/</a>) and in particular the preference for:</p>
<p>-Individuals and interactions over processes and tools<br />
-Customer collaboration over contract negotiation<br />
-Responding to change over following a plan </p>
<p>This would be a good basis for an approach.  Meantime I look forward to your post on waste!!!</p>
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